Monday, April 12, 2021

Who is Old Steve, REALLY?

 caraldanvars

I SWEAR this isn’t steve rogers. No Way the real steve would be able to say good bye to bucky for EIGHTY years and show this little emotion. I simply refuse to believe it

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 caraldanvars

he looks like he’s assessing an opponent. calculating whether or not the enemy will pose a threat to the plan. does he know? has he caught on? Will further intervention be needed to ensure he complies? like I SWEAR

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 caraldanvars

so. we’re all in agreement that old!steve is an imposter, and the films are going to follow the secret empire arc. the real question is, when was the real steve Taken and Replaced ??

 caraldanvars

my vote is almost immediately following the snap, when steve settled in New York

-living in the city surrounded by strangers allowed the Imposter to go unnoticed and adapt to “steve’s” life

-he talked about peggy in group therapy bc the files weren’t updated, and the all the info they had for a character profile was primarily from the 40s (hence the clothes lmao)

-sam & bucky were dead, and nat was running the avengers, so no one would see the shift in his personality

-by the time he reunited with the avengers, they’d think the five years and loss had changed him

-when bucky and sam came back (who WOULD spot the difference), he left

 voodoosgirl1

I’m on board with this take. 


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I like this early replacement theory too. 
It would also explain the very odd and enigmatic look 
that the newly-shaven Steve gives himself in the mirror.


[1st gif by esmesqualor,
excerpted from a larger work;
2nd gif by luvinchris,
excerpted from a larger work]

It would also account for his
otherwise inexplicable coldness
to undusted Bucky.

The two problems I have with this
"early replacement" skrull theory are:

(1) I do think Nat would have spotted
Steve's personality changes. Reading people
is precisely one of her espionage skills.

(2) Would an imposter have been able
to wield Mjolnir in the battle 
against Thanos? Surely not.

I'm not sure I'm convinced by
the following Mjolnir explanation --

 imposterogers

my final theory (aka headcanon) is that steve rogers was abducted and replaced almost immediately following the snap.

answers to questions u may have

why did he live in New York City alone and what was the deal with his obsession with peggy?

whoever took over steve’s life (skrull? hydra?) was playing the long game, but only had basic information on steve’s life. access to steve’s actions from 2016-2019 were extremely limited (his fugitive years). the imposter probably based their interpretation of steve on public knowledge / bias (of course cap would still be heartbroken about peggy) rather than his actual life. living in nyc would distance him from the other avengers and lessen the chance of a slip up

how’d they steal steve’s face?

if it was a skrull then the answer is pretty obvious, but if it was a human then they could have used the technology introduced in catws (photostatic veil)

super strength??????

idk I only watched the movie once but steve never did any crazy inhuman feats from what I remember. he almost lost a fight in the 2012 timeline to a version of himself with a lot less training/experience than he had, who was also exhausted after the chitauri invasion

ok jo fine but what about Thor’s hammer? surely you can’t explain that

ho ho HO but I can. odin enchanted the hammer in 2011 rifht? but when odin died, his previous enchantments started to fail (hence, hela escaping). in 2023 (a timeline where odin was dead) it’s completely possible it had lost its magic

so what was imposter steve up to? why’d he work for the good guys? why the big show about leaving and making up the peggy story?

bc he had what he wanted (the stones) but had to convince everyone he was trustworthy. that it was ok he took the stones himself. it was so weird he went on an extremely dangerous mission alone, no? then, by planting the peggy story, he would no longer be considered a threat // a moving piece and could go under the radar with whatever nefarious plan that is in the works (he also couldn’t stick around too long with sam & bucky, people who knew him too well for him to pass as Steve Rogers convincingly for long)

so the stones never got returned?

no, which would (off of the ancient ones explanation) cause horrible things for those realities. maybe that would explain the multiverse issues to come?

ALTERNATIVELY!!

if they’re following the secret empire run, steve would have been implanted with fake memories and convinced he was a hydra agent. so, going by that, it was steve the whole time, but one under the control of the red skull. who he brought all of the infinity stones right to. :)

all in all..... send me some ice, I hurt my back reaching 😫

 winterofthedarkestlight

The way that this is literally everything that I've been thinking for the past two years regarding Steve having been an impostor from the beginning...and great catch with the idea that Odin's spells would have faded away.

You 🤝 me: dying on the hill of Endgame!Steve being an imposter.

 voodoosgirl1

Endgame!Steve IS an imposter. Make that 3 of us. 


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 caraldanvars

me a year and a half later trying to convince myself the mcu is loosely following the secret empire run where steve roger’s mind was implanted with memories that he was a hydra agent by the sentient cosmic cube (kobrik), and following orders he cons the other avengers into letting him go onto an incredible dangerous mission alone so that he can deliver the infinity stones directly into the clutches of the his arch nemesis (the red skull) who traps him in the soul stone & steals his identity

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 caraldanvars

listen if marvel doesn’t go with imposter!steve & an adaption of the the secret empire run it’s literally such a wasted opportunity. they’ve either intentionally or unintentionally set it up soooooo perfectly all they need to do is push the first domino and reap the benefits

 caraldanvars

suddenly steve rogers saying “hail hydra” would turn into AMAZING foreshadowing

there would finally be a good reason for the red skull being on vormir

marvel literally released the info that Steve’s presence in bucky’s life was the only reason he was mentally stable, so it would make sense why hydra would ruin their relationship and hurt bucky as much as possible (they want the winter soldier back)

no one would expect an old man to be hydra agent, and no one would look for the real steve bc they wouldn’t think he was missing

hydra would finally get revenge on steve (their most hated enemy) by forcing him to watch imposter steve ruin the life he worked so hard to build in the 21st century and ruin all his relationships

old!steve would manipulate sam & the shield would have a tracking chip//recording device

LIKE I AM BEGGING ???????????? it would be such an amazing plot twist ???

 hey-rissyroo

MCU-IDIOTS and Disney IDIOTS are not that clever, tbh.


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["when will he come home"

 caraldanvars

if marvel DIDN’T want me to think old!steve was hydra, than they shouldn’t have 

-said steve rogers wouldn’t have recognized the red skull 

-had him say “hail hydra” (a nod to the secret empire run where the real steve rogers is trapped in the being Kobrik’s mindspace (an entity created by the destruction of the cosmic cube and manipulated by the red skull) while a fascist/hydra agent version of steve rogers secretly infiltrates the government. the real steve is eventually saved by bucky barnes)

-sent steve alone on a dangerous mission with the six most powerful stones in the multiverse and not show any of it 

-said steve would have done nothing to change history in the alt timeline (aka letting his best friend be tortured and used as an assassin, ignoring the worldwide rise of hydra, and every shitty thing to happen for the better part of a century) bc according to the writers, “we didn’t want him to go back and just keep adventuring, we wanted him to rest.”

some extra things to keep in mind regarding this theory 

-the russos once tweeted that when thanos took the soul stone, the red skull was freed from his duties. so…. when clint took the stone, he would have been freed, and if steve didn’t return to the EXACT moment, he would have been walking right into his arch nemesis’ clutches 

-in captain America reborn, “, it is revealed that the Skull had in fact trapped Rogers’ body in a fixed point in time-space. It was his intention to transfer his mind into Rogers’ body and supplant his consciousness

-the soulstone “allows the user to steal, control, manipulate, and alter living and dead souls as well as animate the motionless. The Soul Gem also acts as a gateway to an IDYLLIC pocket universe”

so all in all…………….i’m just saying…………


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Engaging the ‘Old Man Steve is Skrull’ theory. Bucky recognizes the switch, and does everything possible to bring back Steve who is captured by the Skrulls and/or may possibly be lost in time.

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Or maybe, just maybe, there's
a SIMPLER explanation --

While watching Avengers: Endgame,
did you think to yourself:
"Damn, Old Man Steve looks familiar . . .".


 captainevans

Congratulations on winning the United States Presidential Election to Avengers: Endgame star Joe Biden! 



AHA! I KNEW IT!

i like how this implies that cevans is somehow harder to reach than joe biden
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Old #SteveRogers is played by #JoeBiden in #TheFalconAndTheWinterSoldier
due to #ChrisEvans lack of availability, #KevinFeige says in a recent interview. Source:buff.ly/38LflyC

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